Spring 1913
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From - Mon Mar 04 17:16:02 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
It looks like you _are_ going to outlive Russia. I am willing to support
Mos hold. Then if you support yourself to War, I mean:
Mos S Gal-War
Gal-War
I think Russia is gone soon 'cause German centers are lost and Warsaw can
be defended against AI only with Frence support and that is going to be
late.
I can support myself to Gal if you want (to creat a beleagued garrison).
If it fails you could retreat to Ukr.
Of course it depends on what you have agreed with Germany.
I have my preliminary orders in (with set wait) including Sev S Mos. Let
me know if you want me to support Gal somehow or if you have some other
plans.
Raine
From - Mon Mar 04 17:16:04 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Russia in
'gutsy':
Adam,
I fear this may be the last year that your units are able to play a significant role.
I'll stay out of Mun as long as I can, and if Raine moves to Tyl I can do a self-bounce
in Mun in the Fall and hope Raine doesn't provide unwanted support. So hopefully you'll
survive, but things will get difficult. Were you planning on surviving a French win, or
is it sufficient that Raine not share in the draw, even if you're eventually eliminated?
I'm thinking Boh/War S Sil-Gal, StP-Mos is as good a move as any this turn. That protects
War from German attack. I suppose there's a risk of Germany supporting Austria into War,
but then G would have little hope of surviving himself. I doubt he's that altruistic.
Please let me know if there's anything you'd like to discuss.
Rod
From - Mon Mar 04 17:16:05 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
Last turn, you made some unnecessarily hostile moves against me, and I
am now considering the response.
The biggest grievance of course was that you did not move Rum-Ukr. If you
had done this, I could forgive your taking Budapest. I can certainly see
why you would not want me to have any builds. Now I have had to remove a
unit, and my morale is severely weakened.
My options are:
1. Throw the game immediately to France.
2. Make large demands from you this turn, and if you do not meet them,
proceed to step 1.
Thoughts?
Austria
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:28 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
I can see that you are not happy about my actions. I want to tell you why
I did what I did.
First you have been telling me that your intention is to survive longer
than Russia, nothing more. I tried to talk about your existence in 3way
draw with France and me. For a long time it has been my believe that
'gutsy' will end in French solo or three way draw with FI and A/R. Russia
has been playing the kingmaker (1st I thought he is bluffing but soon
relized that he is not) so I have been trying to play for FIA. I have been
quite busy lately so I haven't been able to diplome much. Still, I have
been under impression that you woudn't mind about anything I do. You have
written short notes to me like you have lost your interest to this game
etc. I might have interpreted your notes wrong but after you said that
your goal is to survive longer than Russia and then just short replies (to
my short mails :-) have you been busy too? ) I thought you are not
interested in how this game will end as long as you survive longer than
Russia.
I have no illusions of the outcome of this game if you decide to throw the
game to France. Russia is already doing that so if you join Russia then
we'll get French solo and that's it.
I have played in a way to keep you alive longer than Russia and I have
been dreaming that you would make your goal to be in 3way with FI. It is
still a possibility but we really should start to talk our way there.
I have been silent for awhile but I think this week will be much easier
at work.
> 1. Throw the game immediately to France.
> 2. Make large demands from you this turn, and if you do not meet them,
> proceed to step 1.
>
> Thoughts?
Make your demands. What else can I say? I have been playing to prevent
French solo for a long time. I have seen you as my only help against
France. Now if you go on French side too then the battle is lost.
Like I said above I thought you are playing to survive longer than Russia,
if you are then there is no need to get mad. Now that you are not liking
my actions I can see that you are playing for more than surviving longer
than Russia. You should have made this clear to me. I hope it is not too
late for us to co-operate against French solo and take our part in 3way.
Raine
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:31 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Germany in 'gutsy':
What do you want to do? I could support Lvn-War and move Gal-Sil to cut
support. We'd have to convince France not to move Stp-Mos.
What moves should I demand from Italy? Keeping Sev open is important.
Bla-Con, Rum-Bul, Bud-Ser?
What do you think? Is there some way that we can ensure that we can
throw the game if Italy does not comply?
Austria
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:33 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Austria in 'gutsy':
Keith,
To be honest, I was sort of relying upon you to come up with the plan.
I think I'd go with something simple like LVN-WAR (MOS S), GAL-SIL, SEV-UKR
(RUM S). If F/R dislodge MOS, you'll have a place to retreat to.
We can easily throw the game to France. I doubt we can throw it to Italy.
Tim
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:34 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
Okay, here are our demands:
Sev-Ukr, Bla-Con, Rum-Bul, Bud-Vie, Tri S Bud-Vie.
If you do not make these moves, we will throw the game in the fall.
Austria
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:37 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Germany in 'gutsy':
Okay, I have asked Italy to move Sev-Ukr, Bla-Con, Rum-Bul, Bud-Vie, Tri
S Bud-Vie. I willorder Mos S Lvn-War, Gal-Sil. Do you think we can
convince France not to move Stp-Mos?
Austria
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:41 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Russia in
'gutsy':
Adam,
I have entered StP-Mos to cut support. I can change it to StP-Lvn if you prefer, but
I'm not sure that Germany has any remaining incentive to support Austria into War.
I'll assume you're OK with Boh/War S Sil-Gal unless I hear otherwise. I'm happy to
discuss alternatives if you have any suggestions.
Rod
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:43 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Austria in 'gutsy':
>Okay, I have asked Italy to move Sev-Ukr, Bla-Con, Rum-Bul, Bud-Vie, Tri
>S Bud-Vie. I willorder Mos S Lvn-War, Gal-Sil. Do you think we can
>convince France not to move Stp-Mos?
I don't know. You might be able to convince him that Italy has been
screwing with you and that you would be willing to help him into Warsaw to
throw the game. You could start doing that by supporting STP-LVN. That
would at least get him going to LVN instead of MOS. I don't know if he'll
go for it though.
Tim
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:50 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Russia in
'gutsy':
Adam,
> Looks fairly reasonable. I wonder how much point there is in
> War supporting Sil-Gal though, I doubt Raine has any burning
> desire to support Gal and War's support is likely to be cut
> anyway. Perhaps War S StP - Mos stands more chance of working?
Perhaps. I was thinking we might see something like Mos S Gal-War, Bud S Rum-Gal
(or perhaps a move to Ukr).
> As I say, I can't see much point in the War support, if it's
> going to do any good at all then it might as well do some
> good trying to get you across the stalemate line.
Crossing the line would be great, but I have difficulty imagining that Sev will do
anything other than support Mos. Raine's top priority has got to be keeping me out
of War/Mos, so I fear that support for StP-Mos has even less chance of being effective
than War S Sil-Gal.
> I'll do whatever you ask ultimately but provisionally I'm ordering a support StP-Mos.
I think I'd like you to change it to support for Sil-Gal, unless you really believe
that Mos-War is more likely than Gal-War.
> I'll be around but increasingly stoned
> for the next few hours. It's my birthday :)
Happy birthday! Try not to kill too many brain cells. ;-)
Rod
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:54 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to France in 'gutsy':
> I think I'd like you to change it to support for Sil-Gal,
Done
> unless
> you really believe that Mos-War is more likely than Gal-War.
I think either way the support will be cut so it won't
make any difference.
> Happy birthday! Try not to kill too many brain cells. ;-)
Thanks, I'll do my best but they die all the time anyway,
this is part of how we learn.
Adam.........
From - Tue Mar 05 19:04:55 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Russia in
'gutsy':
Adam,
> Done
OK. Thanks!
> I think either way the support will be cut so it won't
> make any difference.
You're probably right. Oh, well....
> Thanks, I'll do my best but they die all the time anyway,
> this is part of how we learn.
Plus once you're past 18 it's all pretty much downhill from there anyway. :-)
Rod
From - Tue Mar 05 19:05:03 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
> Okay, here are our demands:
our? Your and whom else?
> Sev-Ukr, Bla-Con, Rum-Bul, Bud-Vie, Tri S Bud-Vie.
Are these negotiable? Are you sure that France can be stopped if I move
like this?
> If you do not make these moves, we will throw the game in the fall.
You and who?
Raine
From - Wed Mar 06 05:27:03 2002
:: Judge: NZMB Game: Gutsy Variant: Standard
:: Deadline: S1913M Wed Mar 06 2002 20:00:00 +1300
Movement results for Spring of 1913. (gutsy.052)
Austria: Army Moscow SUPPORT German Army Livonia -> Warsaw. (*cut*)
Austria: Army Galicia -> Silesia. (*bounce*)
France: Army Marseilles SUPPORT Fleet Portugal -> Spain (south coast). (*cut*)
France: Army St Petersburg -> Moscow. (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Barents Sea -> St Petersburg (north coast). (*bounce*)
France: Army Holland HOLD.
France: Fleet Kiel -> Baltic Sea.
France: Fleet Denmark -> Sweden.
France: Army Ruhr -> Kiel.
France: Fleet Norway SUPPORT Fleet Barents Sea -> St Petersburg (north coast).
France: Army Burgundy -> Ruhr.
France: Fleet Portugal -> Spain (south coast). (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Portugal -> Spain (south coast).
France: Army Gascony SUPPORT Army Marseilles.
France: Army Paris -> Burgundy.
France: Fleet Brest -> English Channel.
Germany: Army Livonia -> Warsaw. (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Rumania -> Galicia. (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Rumania -> Galicia.
Italy: Fleet Black Sea -> Rumania. (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Western Mediterranean -> Spain (south coast). (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean -> Spain (south coast).
Italy: Army Venice -> Tyrolia.
Italy: Fleet Tunis -> North Africa.
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea -> Western Mediterranean. (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Austrian Army Moscow.
Italy: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Venice -> Tyrolia.
Italy: Army Piedmont -> Marseilles. (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Rome -> Venice.
Italy: Army Naples -> Rome.
Russia: Army Silesia -> Galicia. (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Silesia -> Galicia.
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Army Silesia -> Galicia. (*cut*)
The next phase of 'gutsy' will be Movement for Fall of 1913.
The deadline for orders will be Sat Mar 09 2002 20:00:00 +1300.
