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From - Mon Feb 11 22:20:28 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
I am moving Ser-Rum supported by Bud and Gal-Ukr. I assume you are
supporting yourself to Sevastopol. I think you will find it to your
benefit to leave me a few of my home centers, as I will be attacking
Russia, not you.
Austria
From - Tue Feb 12 19:56:56 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Russia in 'gutsy':
Hi Adam,
Austria made us a huge favour :-) Did you talk him to remove army
in Vienna? Anyway now Munich is secure for one more season. Let me know if
Tyr S Mun is what you want. If you can move war-sil it means Mun is secure
even if Germany moves Den-Bal.
Raine
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:03 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Austria in 'gutsy':
> I am not sure I understand what you are doing. Do you see that Italy is
> going to take Sevastopol from you, and that he will get all of the
> Austrian centers?
I think Italy knows that if he takes Sev then France will
solo. If he doesn't believe or understand that then, well,
I guess France will solo. If Raine really is that dumb
then I'd have been eliminated sooner or later anyway so
the solo is no skin off of my nose.
Adam.........
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:09 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy in 'gutsy':
Weird, I keep getting messages from you and not noticing
that they're new ones until I come to write to you. Are
you somehow sending your emails with a "Mark Already Read"
function? Strange. Maybe I keep reading them while I'm
drunk and forgetting about it or something.
> Austria made us a huge favour :-) Did you talk him to remove army
> in Vienna?
No, we didn't really talk at all. He did say, during the retreat
really, that he thought you would take Sev. The Army in Arm isn't
very encouraging for me but I pointed out that if you did take
Sev then I'm sure you understood that France would solo. I also
said that if you didn't understand that, or didn't believe it,
then I guess France will solo and that if I'm faced with elimination
anyway then I'd sooner be eliminated to a soloist than a drawer.
> Anyway now Munich is secure for one more season. Let me know if
> Tyr S Mun is what you want.
If you can spare the move, yeah, supporting Munich can only
help us to get the time we need to eliminate Austria and
build the line against France.
> If you can move war-sil it means
> Mun is secure even if Germany moves Den-Bal.
If I move War to Sil then I risk Gal taking War again. I
assume that Keith disbanded Vie rather than Gal because
he intends to use Gal against me. It's a pain but still,
what can I do? I can use Mos to cover War I guess, but
things could still get tricky if A Gal - Ukr. I think
I'll probably try War - Sil, but I'm not all that happy
about it.
StP and Swe and Norway can basically support in place,
at least for the spring. It really is only a matter
of time before France takes Nwy, Swe, StP, Den, Kie,
Ber, Munich though. We need Austria eliminated well
before he manages that.
Adam..........
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:20 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to France in 'gutsy':
Keeping Germany alive, even when you could have had at
least one, probably both of his centers yourself? I guess
you're definately still hoping that solo will come your
way then. Serbia will fall this spring, Bud certainly and
Vie probably in the fall, then I will be setting draw. It'll
be up to you to wipe out Germany if you don't want him
included.
If you do want the Solo then I guess the easiest way now
would be to convince Italy to take Sev or Rum, or do
something else that convinces me he's not interested in
leaving me in the draw. I'll hand you a solo as quickly
as possible if he does. I think he knows that though,
so I don't think he'll do it.
If you want the RFI draw as quickly as possible,
concentrate on getting the German centers this
year. We should be able to call it finished by
the end of the year if you do.
Adam.....
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:22 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to France in 'gutsy':
Hi Rod,
You made a wise move by keeping Germany alive. It is always useful to have
a puppet :-)
Russia gained some units quite fast, didn't he?
I have some fleets that are not needed anymore in attacking AR so I would
like to move Nap-Ion and Eas-Ion. I won't move them to demilitarized area
but I want to tell you in advance that I might move them toward the
_border_ of our DMZ. Just to let you know so that you won't be surprised.
In the end if I have three useless fleets I'd like to put them to Rom,Nap
and Ion. I hope it is ok as they are not DMZ'd. I have no problem if you
put fleets to Nao,Iri,Eng :-)
Raine
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:25 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Russia in 'gutsy':
Hi Adam,
Nice to hear from you.
> Weird, I keep getting messages from you and not noticing
> that they're new ones until I come to write to you. Are
> you somehow sending your emails with a "Mark Already Read"
> function? Strange. Maybe I keep reading them while I'm
> drunk and forgetting about it or something.
Are my messages so dull that you forget them immediately :-)
> No, we didn't really talk at all. He did say, during the retreat
> really, that he thought you would take Sev. The Army in Arm isn't
> very encouraging for me but I pointed out that if you did take
> Sev then I'm sure you understood that France would solo. I also
> said that if you didn't understand that, or didn't believe it,
> then I guess France will solo and that if I'm faced with elimination
> anyway then I'd sooner be eliminated to a soloist than a drawer.
Now, I am not sure if I understand what you are saying. Are you saying
that France is the soloist and I am a drawer? If so, I need to check Rod's
stats 'cause he have to have a huge win/draw ration in order to be more
solo minded than I am (according to my stats). If you think I am a drawer
'cause of my talks then you are fogetting that we are playing diplomacy
:-)
I don't see the difference between France attacking Russia and Italy
attacking Russia. In your position you should make sure that you are on
critical SC's in order to survive.
> If you can spare the move, yeah, supporting Munich can only
> help us to get the time we need to eliminate Austria and
> build the line against France.
I can spare it if you want it.
> If I move War to Sil then I risk Gal taking War again. I
> assume that Keith disbanded Vie rather than Gal because
> he intends to use Gal against me. It's a pain but still,
> what can I do? I can use Mos to cover War I guess, but
> things could still get tricky if A Gal - Ukr. I think
> I'll probably try War - Sil, but I'm not all that happy
> about it.
Yes, I understand. I am afraid of Den-Bal. That would ruin our defence if
you don't move War-Sil. The decision is yours of course.
I am still a bit emotional (i.e. angry) about the possibility that you
called me a drawer. I think I need to move against France in Med in order
to keep my dignity.
Raine
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:28 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Russia in 'gutsy':
Hi Adam,
Rod's stats in partial press games:
6 draws (3353)
2 wins
My stats in partial press games:
1 draw (2)
1 win
So either I misunderstood your message or then you think what you think
because of diploming.
Raine
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:31 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy in 'gutsy':
> Now, I am not sure if I understand what you are saying. Are you saying
> that France is the soloist and I am a drawer?
Not saying that generally, just for this game. In this game
if there is a solo, it's going to be France. I know this because
I'm in a position to more or less guarentee it. Either you and
I will build a line against France together and force him to
set draw, or you'll do something I don't like (take Sev or Rum
without explicit permission from me for instance) and I'll
throw the game to France.
> I don't see the difference between France attacking Russia and Italy
> attacking Russia. In your position you should make sure that you are on
> critical SC's in order to survive.
Mostly the difference is that France is closer to a solo and
that he's already attacking me. If you were closer, and France
wasn't attacking me but you were then I'd be telling him that
I'll throw to you if you he did anything to jepardize the draw.
> I can spare it if you want it.
It does look possible, at least for the spring so yeah,
the support for Munich to hold will be apreciated.
> Yes, I understand. I am afraid of Den-Bal. That would ruin our defence if
> you don't move War-Sil. The decision is yours of course.
I almost certainly will move War - Sil. I'd planned to before
the adjustments, it was just seing Gal still occupied gave
me pause.
> I am still a bit emotional (i.e. angry) about the possibility that you
> called me a drawer. I think I need to move against France in Med in order
> to keep my dignity.
I'm sure you play for a solo, but we all have to accept Draws
sometimes. I think that we agree this is one of those times
don't we? France is the only player that even has a shot
really, and so long as we stay united that's pretty much
negligable.
Adam..........
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:36 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Russia in 'gutsy':
> I think Italy knows that if he takes Sev then France will
> solo. If he doesn't believe or understand that then, well,
> I guess France will solo. If Raine really is that dumb
> then I'd have been eliminated sooner or later anyway so
> the solo is no skin off of my nose.
Me too. I don't think I'm going to survive this game in either case.
Austria
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:39 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Germany in 'gutsy':
Tim,
> It would be nice to be able to set up a convoy to LVN and leapfrog into
> Russia, but with Russia's two builds I think that's unlikely to happen this
> year.
You're right, but if it's my only hope for a solo then we need to plan to set up
convoys as soon as feasible.
> ... Norway will be forced to retreat to SKA where it could
> be destroyed in the fall. Getting rid of a northern Russian fleet should
> be a good thing.
That would certainly be nice, but we'd have to tie up our forces all year to do it.
I think strategic positioning is more important than popping that unit at this time,
especially since there's not much he can do with F Nwy anyway.
> Alternately, we could order DEN-BAL and KIE-DEN (NTH S) while you attempt
> to take KIE. In the fall, I can use BAL to support DEN-SWE. There will be
> no need to cover DEN -- it can be left vacant and in my control.
I think that's a great idea. Any plan that lets you advance your forces rather than
squat on centers should be preferred.
If we don't expect Swe-Den then Nth-Ska, Eng-Nth would allow us to pop F Nwy in the
Fall without slowing down our Baltic advancement, but there's the risk that you'd
lose your army. What do you think?
> Of course, Russia is going to come under some pressure from Italy and/or
> Austria.
I sure hope so. :-)
Rod
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:41 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Russia in 'gutsy':
Adam,
> It'll be up to you to wipe out Germany if you don't want him included.
No problem - I don't want a four-way. But I'm not in any hurry to finalize the three-way
either. I'll keep him around a little while longer yet.
Rod
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:47 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy
in 'gutsy':
Raine,
> You made a wise move by keeping Germany alive. It is always useful to have
> a puppet :-)
And it's fun! :-)
> Russia gained some units quite fast, didn't he?
Yes, but it's not a problem. We will defeat him eventually. And the better his defenses,
the more likely you and I can approach the two-way without worrying about the other reaching
the stalemate line too soon. I think things are looking good for FI.
:-)
> I have some fleets that are not needed anymore in attacking AR so I would
> like to move Nap-Ion and Eas-Ion.
OK. Thanks for letting me know.
Will you support Mun again this turn? I think A Tyl is better used against Vie, and there's
little reason for you to slow me down in the north - unless you don't trust me. :-(
Rod
From - Tue Feb 12 19:57:53 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to France in 'gutsy':
Rod,
I will order den-bal and kie-den. I will leave it to you to decide whether
to support me to Denmark or not. I would prefer to get support -- I tend
to be the plodding-sure-thing type and I'd like to be sure to keep my two
units. But, I will defer to your decision.
I have no insight into what Russia (or anyone else) will attempt. I have
spoken with Austria, but not with Russia or Italy. I would remind you to
consider that Russia will not be able to concentrate all of his efforts on
stopping you. So, don't plan for perfect defense from him. And, don't be
desperate.
I'm going to be out of town from Thursday afternoon through Sunday
evening. Don't take my silence during that time to mean I'm not happy with
things (unless you've screwed me :-)).
Tim
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:31 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
> I am moving Ser-Rum supported by Bud and Gal-Ukr.
I'll make it sure that you get Rumania. I hope you are succesful in your
actions against Russia.
Raine
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:32 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Russia in 'gutsy':
Hi Adam,
> Not saying that generally, just for this game. In this game
> if there is a solo, it's going to be France. I know this because
> I'm in a position to more or less guarentee it. Either you and
> I will build a line against France together and force him to
> set draw, or you'll do something I don't like (take Sev or Rum
> without explicit permission from me for instance) and I'll
> throw the game to France.
OK, I didn't get it right at first time. I am glad that you are not
calling me carebear :-) What comes to your prediction of French solo and
throwing the game etc. I cannot see that far yet. Germany is kept alive
(for some reason?), Austria is alive, I am moving my fleets west, all
these things are making it unclear that France is soloing and that you
have the need/chance to throw the game to France.
We have some problems if we want to make a line against France: Your fleet
in south, my fleet in Black Sea and the rest of our units in southeast.
When France is close to solo we need to have a peaceful situation around
Black Sea area.
> Mostly the difference is that France is closer to a solo and
> that he's already attacking me. If you were closer, and France
> wasn't attacking me but you were then I'd be telling him that
> I'll throw to you if you he did anything to jepardize the draw.
You should have spared this comment for two game years :-) It is too early
to talk about 3way ending when there is 5 powers. As long as there is 5
powers it is impossible to jepardize the 3way draw.
> > I can spare it if you want it.
>
> It does look possible, at least for the spring so yeah,
> the support for Munich to hold will be apreciated.
Ok, I'll have my moves in and Tyr S Mun is included. Please, let me know
if you are not needing the support.
> I almost certainly will move War - Sil. I'd planned to before
> the adjustments, it was just seing Gal still occupied gave
> me pause.
Keith is good at making unpredictable moves. We should count on that in
the future too.
> I'm sure you play for a solo, but we all have to accept Draws
> sometimes. I think that we agree this is one of those times
> don't we? France is the only player that even has a shot
> really, and so long as we stay united that's pretty much
> negligable.
This game is most likely ending in 3way that is true. But who knows what
happens if Italy starts a war with France within a year :-)
Raine
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:34 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to France in 'gutsy':
Hi Rod,
> > You made a wise move by keeping Germany alive. It is always useful to have
> > a puppet :-)
>
> And it's fun! :-)
Maybe I should try to join the fun and try to talk Keith to be my puppet
:-)
> Yes, but it's not a problem. We will defeat him eventually. And the
> better his defenses, the more likely you and I can approach the two-way
> without worrying about the other reaching the stalemate line too soon.
So, if I want to support Mun hold you understand that my motivation is
only to be at stalemate line with you at the same time? It is not that I
wouldn't trust you, it is more like getting Adam to trust me. He has asked
me to support Mun hold and nothing is better in Diplomacy than to offer
help to those who are in need (and don't understand that within a year
Munich is lost anyway :-) .
> I think things are looking good for FI. :-)
They are, indeed :-) I have told Russia that I will move against you.
Combined with a support to Mun he must feel comfortable of 3way RIF.
My move 'against' you is what I told you already. Ion-Nap and Eas-Ion, I
will honour our DMZ so don't worry.
> > I have some fleets that are not needed anymore in attacking AR so I would
> > like to move Nap-Ion and Eas-Ion.
>
> OK. Thanks for letting me know.
I think we need to be open to be able to keep FI going on.
> Will you support Mun again this turn? I think A Tyl is better used against
> Vie, and there's little reason for you to slow me down in the north -
> unless you don't trust me. :-(
I can make a good attack against Austria without moving Tyrolia. My
motivation to slow you down is the fact that you are much closer to
stalemate line than I am. You'll get Munich in next 2 years anyway.
Munich will be a huge test to our trust. I mean when you get it you have a
good possiblity to go over the major stalemate line and I cannot do
anything. Rod can you honestly say that you won't take a solo if you have
a chance? Would you rather take a 2way 'cause we agreed about it?
So I'd like to see Munich as the 17th center you'll take. I would really
appreciate if you could take Scandinavia, Stp and rest of Germany before
Munich. That would make things much easier.
I hope you can see that I have been open all the time. That is the way we
can get more than 3way from gutsy.
Raine
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:41 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Master in 'gutsy':
EOY 1911 Germany
Not much to report. France is cooperating nicely since I am of some use to
him. I hope to meet Austria in WAR/MOS and become part of a stalemate
line, but I realize that is a long shot. Failing that, I hope to take
Russia down since he was the one who effectively took me out.
Tim
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:42 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Master in 'gutsy':
END OF YEAR STATEMENT
----------------------
Not a great deal to say about this last year. France decided
to keep Germany alive adn attack me rather than finish him
off but this was basically to be expected. Once the stalemate
line has been made I'm sure that he'll eliminated Germany
and set draw. Austria removing A Vie was a surprise I guess,
he'll probably use A Gal against me now, move it to Ukr
in the spring at a guess. I'm still okay to move War-Sil
though becasue I can cover Mos - War and then bounce
Sev and War in Mos.
Hopefully we'll have Austria eliminated within two years,
and France will see the light and Elinate Germany shortly
afterwards.
Adam......
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:47 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Austria in 'gutsy':
FYI, Italy tells me he'll do Tyl S Mun again.
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:48 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy
in 'gutsy':
Raine,
> Munich will be a huge test to our trust. I mean when you get it you have a
> good possiblity to go over the major stalemate line and I cannot do
> anything.
If you quickly overrun Austria then I wouldn't be able to cause any mischief from Mun
anyway, because you will have the territory across the line adequately defended.
> So, if I want to support Mun hold you understand that my motivation is
> only to be at stalemate line with you at the same time?
I think the best solution is for you to secure your side of the line as soon as possible.
> Rod can you honestly say that you won't take a solo if you have a chance?
I would not pass up an easy 18th center, but before I can get 18 I must get 17. If you
focus on taking your 17 then 17 is all I get.
> I think we need to be open to be able to keep FI going on.
I agree.
> I hope you can see that I have been open all the time.
You didn't tell me that you were supporting Mun last turn. Mun is my center, and you
interfered.
> He has asked me to support Mun hold
Are you going to support Mun this turn? Please be open with me. 'Yes' or 'No' will
suffice.
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:19:49 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Germany in 'gutsy':
Tim,
What if StP-Fin, then Fin S Swe in the Fall? Why else would he have built an army
instead of a fleet?
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:07 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to France in 'gutsy':
Hi Rod,
> If you quickly overrun Austria then I wouldn't be able to cause any
> mischief from Mun anyway, because you will have the territory across the
> line adequately defended.
You are right. I just need to overrun Austria first :-)
> I think the best solution is for you to secure your side of the line as
> soon as possible.
That is excatly what I am doing.
> I would not pass up an easy 18th center, but before I can get 18 I must
> get 17. If you focus on taking your 17 then 17 is all I get.
You are right, again. But I need to focus on being able to hold those 17
centers too. Because we aren't at 15 centers or anything near 17 maybe it
is too early to talk about these.
> You didn't tell me that you were supporting Mun last turn. Mun is my
> center, and you interfered.
I am sorry that I didn't tell you it in advance. But you are right Munich
is your center. You will get in eventually. If I support Munich to hold it
is only to avoid your chance of easy 18th center. I know that you'll get
Munich no matter what I do eventually.
> > He has asked me to support Mun hold
>
> Are you going to support Mun this turn? Please be open with me.
> 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice.
I have my preliminary orders in where support is included. Is it a
problem? Do you want me to change it? I am not breaking FI agreements we
have made. In fact I am playing the way that we have the chance to make it
2way rather than French solo. I need to be friends with Russia somehow in
order to get his help against Austria.
I am noticing a little tension in your message. Are you going to honour
our DMZ ? What are you going to do with your fleets in Eng and Bre? You
know my what Ion and Eas are going to do.
I hope to receive an open message from you so that we can keep up the good
work with FI.
Raine
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:10 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to France in 'gutsy':
Rod,
>What if StP-Fin, then Fin S Swe in the Fall? Why else would he have built
>an army instead of a fleet?
That would be a setback for us. But, if he orders STP-FIN, your three
units surrounding NWY would be enough to take it (presumably by convoy).
I suspect he built an army for flexibility rather than a desire to
immediately move it to Finland. When he comes under attack from A/I, he'll
need armies. And, he knows that you can eventually force STP no matter
what he does.
Tim
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:13 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy in 'gutsy':
> I cannot see that far yet. Germany is kept alive
> (for some reason?),
Good question as to the reason. I guess France thinks that
he stands more chance in Scandinavia and Germany if he uses
Germany's units rather than his own. I can't see how it'd
make much difference myself, but still. France says that
he'll eliminate Germany when the 3 way is certain, but I
guess he's shooting for the solo a little further first.
> Austria is alive,
Yeah, just barely. We should have him down to at most one
center by the end of this year though. Definately eliminated
by the end of next year.
> I am moving my fleets west,
The fleets worry me less than the Army in Arm. Are you
planning on moving that West too?
> all these things are making it unclear that France is soloing and that you
> have the need/chance to throw the game to France.
I'm pretty sure I have the chance, all I'd have to do is pull
back to Mos/War defending those two centers from you or Austria
at all cost. Then let France take them from behind.
I'm pretty sure I won't need to do it though, Austria may be
desperate and doomed but you're secure enough not to want to
risk that French solo for the sake of whittling the draw down
by a power.
> We have some problems if we want to make a line against France: Your fleet
> in south, my fleet in Black Sea and the rest of our units in southeast.
I don't see any problems there. I have no insentive to take centers
from you, and you know that if you take any from me you hand a solo
to France. Even A Arm isn't really discouraging me, at this point
I know I'll either be in the draw, or France will solo.
> When France is close to solo we need to have a peaceful situation around
> Black Sea area.
I don't think he'll get close really. And I think we DO have
peace around the black sea, except for Austria anyway. I'll
be happy to move some units around, perhaps move Rum to
Bul and let you destroy it for instance, if you want though.
> You should have spared this comment for two game years :-) It is too early
> to talk about 3way ending when there is 5 powers.
I don't believe there are five viable powers on the board.
Germany can be eliminated by France any move France decides
to do it. Austria will be down to at most one center at
the end of this year.
> This game is most likely ending in 3way that is true. But who knows what
> happens if Italy starts a war with France within a year :-)
Well, my guess would be that you and France end up building a
stable stalemate line with Tunis being Italian and Spa/Por/Mar
being Frence. Assuming Mos/Was stay Russian we still get the
three way. Isn't this what you'd expect too?
Adam..........
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:16 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy in
'gutsy':
Raine,
> If I support Munich to hold it
> is only to avoid your chance of easy 18th center.
I understand. I just want you to tell me about it. Anything on your side of the
line outside our DMZ is your own business, but anything that affects my side of the
line needs to be discussed.
> I have my preliminary orders in where support is included. Is it a
> problem? Do you want me to change it?
No, that's fine. As long as I know that's what you're doing, I can take it into
account, and if it becomes a problem then we'll discuss it.
> Are you going to honour
> our DMZ ? What are you going to do with your fleets in Eng and Bre?
Yes, I will honour the DMZ. The fleets hold.
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:18 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy in 'gutsy':
Been a very long time since I sent this and I just noticed
that I got no reply from the judge......
> I cannot see that far yet. Germany is kept alive
> (for some reason?),
Good question as to the reason. I guess France thinks that
he stands more chance in Scandinavia and Germany if he uses
Germany's units rather than his own. I can't see how it'd
make much difference myself, but still. France says that
he'll eliminate Germany when the 3 way is certain, but I
guess he's shooting for the solo a little further first.
> Austria is alive,
Yeah, just barely. We should have him down to at most one
center by the end of this year though. Definately eliminated
by the end of next year.
> I am moving my fleets west,
The fleets worry me less than the Army in Arm. Are you
planning on moving that West too?
> all these things are making it unclear that France is soloing and that you
> have the need/chance to throw the game to France.
I'm pretty sure I have the chance, all I'd have to do is pull
back to Mos/War defending those two centers from you or Austria
at all cost. Then let France take them from behind.
I'm pretty sure I won't need to do it though, Austria may be
desperate and doomed but you're secure enough not to want to
risk that French solo for the sake of whittling the draw down
by a power.
> We have some problems if we want to make a line against France: Your fleet
> in south, my fleet in Black Sea and the rest of our units in southeast.
I don't see any problems there. I have no insentive to take centers
from you, and you know that if you take any from me you hand a solo
to France. Even A Arm isn't really discouraging me, at this point
I know I'll either be in the draw, or France will solo.
> When France is close to solo we need to have a peaceful situation around
> Black Sea area.
I don't think he'll get close really. And I think we DO have
peace around the black sea, except for Austria anyway. I'll
be happy to move some units around, perhaps move Rum to
Bul and let you destroy it for instance, if you want though.
> You should have spared this comment for two game years :-) It is too early
> to talk about 3way ending when there is 5 powers.
I don't believe there are five viable powers on the board.
Germany can be eliminated by France any move France decides
to do it. Austria will be down to at most one center at
the end of this year.
> This game is most likely ending in 3way that is true. But who knows what
> happens if Italy starts a war with France within a year :-)
Well, my guess would be that you and France end up building a
stable stalemate line with Tunis being Italian and Spa/Por/Mar
being Frence. Assuming Mos/Was stay Russian we still get the
three way. Isn't this what you'd expect too?
Adam..........
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:30 2002
Broadcast message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia in 'gutsy':
Sorry, I sent orders in yesterday (twice!) but the judge didn't reply
until to today and apparently I can't tell the difference between
an army and a fleet so it set my error flag.
Adam............
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:34 2002
:: Judge: NZMB Game: Gutsy Variant: Standard
:: Deadline: S1911M Fri Feb 15 2002 20:00:00 +1300
Movement results for Spring of 1911. (gutsy.043)
Austria: Army Galicia -> Ukraine.
Austria: Army Serbia -> Rumania.
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia -> Rumania.
France: Army Burgundy -> Munich. (*bounce*)
France: Army Edinburgh -> Norwegian Sea -> Norway. (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Barents Sea -> St Petersburg (north coast). (*bounce*)
France: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Ruhr -> Kiel.
France: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT German Army Kiel -> Denmark.
France: Fleet English Channel HOLD.
France: Army Ruhr -> Kiel.
France: Fleet Norwegian Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh -> Norway.
France: Army Picardy -> Belgium.
France: Fleet Brest HOLD.
Germany: Army Kiel -> Denmark.
Germany: Fleet Denmark -> Baltic Sea.
Italy: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Albania -> Serbia.
Italy: Army Albania -> Serbia.
Italy: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Armenia -> Sevastopol.
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean -> Ionian Sea.
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea -> Naples.
Italy: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Russian Army Munich.
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria.
Italy: Fleet Adriatic Sea SUPPORT Army Trieste.
Italy: Army Armenia -> Sevastopol.
Italy: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Albania -> Serbia.
Russia: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Fleet Rumania. (*cut, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Munich SUPPORT German Army Kiel -> Ruhr. (*void*)
Russia: Army Sweden SUPPORT Fleet Norway.
Russia: Army Berlin SUPPORT Army Munich.
Russia: Fleet Rumania SUPPORT Army Sevastopol. (*cut, dislodged*)
Russia: Fleet Norway SUPPORT German Fleet Denmark -> North Sea. (*void*)
Russia: Army Warsaw -> Silesia.
Russia: Army Moscow -> Warsaw.
Russia: Army St Petersburg SUPPORT Fleet Norway. (*cut*)
The following units were dislodged:
The Russian Army in Sevastopol can retreat to Moscow.
The Russian Fleet in Rumania with no valid retreats was destroyed.
The next phase of 'gutsy' will be Retreats for Spring of 1911.
The deadline for orders will be Tue Feb 19 2002 00:39:25 +1300.
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:35 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy and France in 'gutsy':
Okay, Rod, looks like you get the solo if there's
anything I can do about it. Is there any particualar
moves you'd like me to make?
Adam..........
signofff
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:36 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to France in 'gutsy':
Essentially, as I see it we need to get you into War or Mos
as quickly as possible. A Edi - Nwg - Bar - StP is probably
the quickest way, I'll move StP to Fin to keep it out of
the way. The rest of my centers will be easy for you but
it's crossing the stalemate line that could prove
tricky so that's what we need to concentrate on first.
Convoying Kie to Lvn at the same time should give
you enough force to get into Mos next year with
any luck.
Adam.........
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:37 2002
:: Judge: NZMB Game: Gutsy Variant: Standard
:: Deadline: S1911R Tue Feb 19 2002 00:39:25 +1300
Retreat orders for Spring of 1911. (gutsy.044)
Russia: Army Sevastopol -> Moscow.
The next phase of 'gutsy' will be Movement for Fall of 1911.
The deadline for orders will be Tue Feb 19 2002 20:00:00 +1300.
