Fall 1911
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From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:38 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
I know that it must be tempting for you to eliminate me this year, but
hopefully you can see the benefit of keeping my armies at your service
for another year or so. I will move Bud-Gal, Rum S Bud-Gal and Ukr will
either move to Moscow or support you there, whichever you would prefer.
Austria
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:39 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Germany in 'gutsy':
Tim,
Things seem to be going rather well. It appears that Russia is getting a taste
of his own medicine. ;-)
I think sticking with your plan of Bal S Den-Swe is the best move.
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:41 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Russia in 'gutsy':
Adam,
> Okay, Rod, looks like you get the solo if there's
> anything I can do about it. Is there any particualar
> moves you'd like me to make?
A solo would be just fine ;-), but I can't help but wonder whether you copied this
press to Italy in an effort to turn him against me and secure yourself a place in
the draw. You're not quite dead yet, and I generally prefer for my lackeys to be on a
tight leash.
> Essentially, as I see it we need to get you into War or Mos
> as quickly as possible.
I agree with your assessment of the situation.
> A Edi - Nwg - Bar - StP is probably
> the quickest way, I'll move StP to Fin to keep it out of
> the way. ... Convoying Kie to Lvn at the same time....
If I trusted you completely then this would be an excellent plan, but I hope you'll
forgive me if I'm yet a bit sceptical.
Maybe StP S Mos, War S Sil-Gal, Ber-Sil, Mun-Boh is a good move. If you slow down
AI as much as possible then maybe I'll have time to juggle armies into position next
year before making the final assault.
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:42 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Austria in 'gutsy':
Keith,
Are you Italy's lackey now, or are you just trying to wreak some havoc? ;-)
Perhaps you just want to get me to 17 then hunker down in War/Mos, eh?
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:43 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy
in 'gutsy':
Raine,
It seems Adam isn't too happy with your move. ;-) Oh, well - at least having an
Austrian lackey is valuable, eh? :-)
We still need two or three years to clean things up, but it's clear that the other
powers can not prevent our success. We just need to continue communicating and
pursue the goal.
Let me know if there's anything you'd like to discuss.
Rod
From - Fri Feb 15 17:20:44 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to France in 'gutsy':
> Are you Italy's lackey now, or are you just trying to wreak some havoc?
> ;-) Perhaps you just want to get me to 17 then hunker down in War/Mos, eh?
I will be quite surprised if Italy does not try to take all of my centers
this turn.
I am out of options, and seeing as how Russia was the one who broke an
agreement most recently, I thought I would attack him. I wasn't going to
be able to defend against Italy.
At some point it might be nice to get back at Italy too. I would
certainly consider throwing the game rather the losing to a two-way if it
came down to that.
Austria
From - Sat Feb 16 14:04:04 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to France in 'gutsy':
> A solo would be just fine ;-), but I can't help but wonder
> whether you copied this press to Italy in an effort to turn
> him against me and secure yourself a place in the draw.
I copied it to Italy in anger, I told him a good few
times that if he took Sev then I'd do all I could to
throw to France - and that I thought I'd have a very
good shot at doing so. Apparently he didn't believe
me.
> If I trusted you completely then this would be an
> excellent plan, but I hope you'll forgive me if I'm
> yet a bit sceptical.
Sure, you're the boss, if I'm throwing then I generally
want things over with as quickly as possible, but if
there's some grand vision.
> Maybe StP S Mos, War S Sil-Gal, Ber-Sil, Mun-Boh is a
> good move. If you slow down AI as much as possible then
> maybe I'll have time to juggle armies into position next
> year before making the final assault.
Okay then, remember that I'll have to disband this year
as it is, the more of my centers you take the wrong side
of the stalemate line the harder it will be for me to
slow Italy down, but if you think taking them will get
you that solo more quickly then go ahead.
Adam...........
From - Sat Feb 16 14:04:07 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Russia in 'gutsy':
Hi Adam,
Can you remember your statement when you where taking Turkish centers from
me while we where playing towards FIR 3way? You said that you haven't
stabbed me yet so you wanted to do it and also you wanted to increase your
solo chances.
Look what I am doing, I am increasing my solo chances and if I fail to
solo it is obvious that there is FIR (at least I think so). You have the
power to give France a solo but isn't it a bit too early? Does it matter
how many centers you have as long as you are a part in 3way draw?
As you can see my fleets started to move toward France like I told you.
I'll continue to move against France with them.
Munich won't need my support but if you want Tyr S Mun I am willing to
give it to you.
The game is not over from you. You are still part of the 3way unless you
decide you don't want it. You just have to face the fact that people
behave like you behaved earlier...
Raine
From - Sat Feb 16 14:04:08 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
> I know that it must be tempting for you to eliminate me this year, but
> hopefully you can see the benefit of keeping my armies at your service
> for another year or so. I will move Bud-Gal, Rum S Bud-Gal and Ukr will
> either move to Moscow or support you there, whichever you would prefer.
I want you to live and I want you to do everything you can do to be in a
3way FIA. Why?
You are more rational than Adam is. For example, I took Sevastopol and now
Adam sent a message to FI where he asked what Rod wants him to do in order
to make sure Rod solos :-|
I am thinking of the moves. I'd prefer you to take Moscow.
Raine
From - Sat Feb 16 14:04:11 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to France in 'gutsy':
Hi Rod,
Adam is a funny person, indeed :-)
> It seems Adam isn't too happy with your move. ;-) Oh, well - at least
> having an Austrian lackey is valuable, eh? :-)
You said it is fun to have a puppet. I want to experience the fun part
too :-)
> We still need two or three years to clean things up, but it's clear that
> the other powers can not prevent our success. We just need to continue
> communicating and pursue the goal.
That is true. I continue my open and honest style.
- Nap-Rom
- Ion-Nap
- Gre-Ion
- Those moves prevent me from building fleets against you
- If I get a build it is an army in Venice
> Let me know if there's anything you'd like to discuss.
Some questions for starters:
What did you suggest Adam to do?
What are your fleets in Eng and Bre doing?
How long is Germany kept alive? Does Germany live after next adjustment
phase?
Raine
From - Sat Feb 16 14:04:13 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy in 'gutsy':
> Can you remember your statement when you where taking Turkish centers from
> me while we where playing towards FIR 3way? You said that you haven't
> stabbed me yet so you wanted to do it and also you wanted to increase your
> solo chances.
I think I mostly wanted to keep the game fluid, I didn't
think a final result could be predicted yet and wanted to
keep it that way. I believe the situation has pretty
much crytalized now.
> Look what I am doing, I am increasing my solo chances and if I fail to
> solo it is obvious that there is FIR (at least I think so). You have the
> power to give France a solo but isn't it a bit too early? Does it matter
> how many centers you have as long as you are a part in 3way draw?
I agree completely, it's obvious that you don't believe France
is close enough to a solo that you should leave me alone. Well,
I can fix that, I can help France get a solo.
> The game is not over from you. You are still part of the 3way unless you
> decide you don't want it. You just have to face the fact that people
> behave like you behaved earlier...
Well, I said I'd throw to France if you took Sev. I said it
several times. I don't make game-throwing threats without
meaning it. You just have to face the fact that I meant it
when I said I'd throw to France if you took Sev.
Adam.........
From - Sat Feb 16 14:04:14 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
> I am thinking of the moves. I'd prefer you to take Moscow.
Okay, I'll move Ukr-Mos. I would like to survive longer than Russia, but
I have no ambitions beyond that.
Austria
From - Mon Feb 18 05:21:51 2002
Broadcast message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany in 'gutsy':
>Russia: Army Munich SUPPORT German Army Kiel -> Ruhr. (*void*)
>Russia: Fleet Norway SUPPORT German Fleet Denmark -> North Sea. (*void*)
So friendly all of a sudden? But, if you expect these things to work, you
have to tell me ahead of time so I can submit the appropriate orders. I'm
not psychic, which perhaps explains my inability to do well at no press.
Tim
From - Mon Feb 18 05:21:55 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to France in 'gutsy':
Hi,
I'll order den-swe (bal s) as we've discussed. We can try to start some
convoys next year.
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:48 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Germany in 'gutsy':
> So friendly all of a sudden? But, if you expect these things to work, you
> have to tell me ahead of time so I can submit the appropriate orders. I'm
> not psychic, which perhaps explains my inability to do well at no press.
Didn't think of it ahead of time really. Just noticed those units
would be holding anyway and hold orders seem such a waste, you
know?
Adam.........
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:37 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Germany in 'gutsy':
Tim,
> I'll order den-swe (bal s) as we've discussed.
OK. Thanks!
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:43 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Russia in 'gutsy':
Adam,
> remember that I'll have to disband this year
> as it is, ....
I'll keep that in mind. The idea is for you to have enough forces to help me win, but not enough to imagine yourself in a draw. ;-) It's a delicate balance.
The orders that I suggested to you leave Mos free to support an attack on Sev,
if Keith were of a mind to do so. I suggested that to him, but I have no idea
what he actually intends.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:42 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to
Austria in 'gutsy':
> At some point it might be nice to get back at Italy too.
Adam claims to be thinking along the same lines, so I suggested some moves to him.
If he plays along, Mos will be free to support an attack on Sev. Perhaps you should
contact him and make arrangements.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:45 2002
Message from rodspade at paonline.com,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy
in 'gutsy':
Raine,
> You said it is fun to have a puppet. I want to experience the fun part
> too :-)
Excellent! Russia should quickly collapse, and then we just have to mop up the
detritus. ;-)
> That is true. I continue my open and honest style.
Thanks for the update! I have no problem with your planned moves.
> What did you suggest Adam to do?
I told him that if he wants me to win he should just give me all of his centers
:-) , but I very much doubt he'll do that. I suspect he's just trying to turn us
against each other so he can weasle his way into a draw.
> What are your fleets in Eng and Bre doing?
They will either hold or move bre-eng, eng-nth.
> How long is Germany kept alive?
If he continues to cooperate with me then I'll probably keep him around until I
need his centers to consummate the draw.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:40 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy in
'gutsy':
Raine,
> > What are your fleets in Eng and Bre doing?
>
> They will either hold or move bre-eng, eng-nth.
I am considering moving Bre-Gas instead. I trust that would not be a problem.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:29 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to France in 'gutsy':
> > At some point it might be nice to get back at Italy too.
>
> Adam claims to be thinking along the same lines, so I suggested some moves to him.
If he plays along, Mos will be free to support an attack on Sev. Perhaps you should
contact him and make arrangements.
The key phrase is "at some point". I am going to do all I can to avoid
being crushed between Russia and Italy.
Austria
From - Wed Feb 20 21:52:19 2002
:: Judge: NZMB Game: Gutsy Variant: Standard
:: Deadline: F1911M Tue Feb 19 2002 20:00:00 +1300
Movement results for Fall of 1911. (gutsy.045)
Austria: Army Ukraine -> Moscow. (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Rumania SUPPORT Army Budapest -> Galicia.
Austria: Army Budapest -> Galicia. (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Belgium -> Ruhr.
France: Army Edinburgh -> North Sea -> Norway.
France: Fleet Barents Sea SUPPORT Army Edinburgh -> Norway.
France: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Kiel.
France: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh -> Norway.
France: Fleet English Channel HOLD.
France: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Belgium -> Ruhr.
France: Fleet Norwegian Sea SUPPORT Army Edinburgh -> Norway.
France: Army Belgium -> Ruhr.
France: Fleet Brest -> Gascony.
Germany: Army Denmark -> Sweden.
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Army Denmark -> Sweden.
Italy: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Serbia.
Italy: Army Serbia HOLD.
Italy: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Sevastopol.
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea -> Naples.
Italy: Fleet Naples -> Rome.
Italy: Army Tyrolia -> Bohemia. (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece -> Ionian Sea.
Italy: Fleet Adriatic Sea -> Trieste. (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Sevastopol SUPPORT Austrian Army Ukraine -> Moscow.
Italy: Army Trieste -> Tyrolia. (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Moscow SUPPORT Army Warsaw. (*cut*)
Russia: Army Munich -> Bohemia. (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden SUPPORT Fleet Norway. (*cut, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Berlin -> Silesia. (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Norway SUPPORT Army Sweden. (*cut, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Silesia -> Galicia. (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Army Silesia -> Galicia.
Russia: Army St Petersburg SUPPORT Army Moscow.
The following units were dislodged:
The Russian Army in Sweden can retreat to Finland.
The Russian Fleet in Norway can retreat to Skagerrak.
The next phase of 'gutsy' will be Retreats for Fall of 1911.
The deadline for orders will be Wed Feb 20 2002 19:04:03 +1300.
From - Wed Feb 20 21:52:14 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
I have Sev S Ukr-Mos in my orders :-)
> > I am thinking of the moves. I'd prefer you to take Moscow.
>
> Okay, I'll move Ukr-Mos. I would like to survive longer than Russia, but
> I have no ambitions beyond that.
I hope you are only trying to give me a fake idea of your feelings. You
are far from dead and if it is up to me you are in endgame rather than
Russia.
Raine
From - Wed Feb 20 21:51:50 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to Austria in 'gutsy':
Hi Keith,
I thought Russia would be late once again. Sorry for the late posting of
my support to Ukr-Mos.
It seems that Russia is truly giving the game to France. I am willing to
help you against Russia.
Raine
From - Wed Feb 20 21:52:17 2002
Message from rkarjala at mail.student.oulu.fi as Italy to France in 'gutsy':
Hi Rod,
Thanks for your note. I am glad you told me about Bre-Gas in advance. It
was no problem that you moved there. I am happy about our open and honest
mail system :-)
As you can see I am not able to build fleets against you i.e. to west
coast of Italy. I will build an army to Venice like I already told you.
The other of my builds is for the future considerations.
I hope you are still leaving Mar open. Also I hope you are taking StP with
a fleet like we agreed earlier.
Raine
From - Wed Feb 20 21:52:31 2002
:: Judge: NZMB Game: Gutsy Variant: Standard
:: Deadline: F1911R Wed Feb 20 2002 19:04:03 +1300
Retreat orders for Fall of 1911. (gutsy.046)
Russia: Army Sweden -> Finland.
Russia: Fleet Norway -> Skagerrak.
Ownership of supply centers:
Austria: Budapest, Rumania, Vienna.
France: Belgium, Brest, Edinburgh, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Marseilles, Norway, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Denmark, Sweden.
Italy: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece, Naples, Rome, Serbia,
Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Berlin, Moscow, Munich, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Austria: 3 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 0 units.
England: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 12 Supply centers, 10 Units: Builds 2 units.
Germany: 2 Supply centers, 2 Units: Builds 0 units.
Italy: 12 Supply centers, 10 Units: Builds 2 units.
Russia: 5 Supply centers, 8 Units: Removes 3 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
The next phase of 'gutsy' will be Adjustments for Winter of 1911.
The deadline for orders will be Wed Feb 20 2002 23:43:12 +1300.
From - Wed Feb 20 21:52:35 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Russia in 'gutsy':
This would be a very different game if you had decided to work with me
against France. Is there any chance we can work something out now where we
both get a piece of a stalemate line and try to negotiate our way into a
draw by threatening to throw the game to France or Italy if one of them
tries to whittle us?
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:54:02 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Austria in 'gutsy':
I wonder if Russia is seeing the error of his ways? I think I'm going to
have to find a home for one of my units in Russia this coming year. How
are things going with you and Italy? Is there a chance that we'll be able
to both eventually find a home along the stalemate line in Russia and
negotiate our way into the draw?
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:54:01 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to France in 'gutsy':
Things seem to be going well. But, I can't see even discussing the options
until we see which units Russia removes.
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:52:42 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Germany in
'gutsy':
Tim,
> Things seem to be going well. But, I can't see even discussing the options
> until we see which units Russia removes.
Russia now claims that he's willing to throw the game to me to punish Italy.
If he's sincere then I think I can win this year, but it would require that I
take both of your centers in the Fall. How would you feel about that? There's
not much risk in the Spring, but in the Fall we'd have to trust that Adam really
will let me have his centers.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:45 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Russia in
'gutsy':
Adam,
Thanks for getting in Italy's way! It's too bad your moves didn't succeed, but at
least you bounced AI. :-)
It's probably most convenient for me if you remove Ska and Fin and either StP or
Ber. Maybe removing StP and retaining Ber is best; we could do something like
War S Mos, Nwy-StP, Swe-Lvn, Mun S Sil-Boh, Ber-Sil. I think I could then secure
the win in the Fall if you and Germany are both willing to make it happen.
What do you think of this? I'm always happy to consider the advice of those who
want me to win. :-)
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:58 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy in
'gutsy':
Raine,
> Thanks for your note. I am glad you told me about Bre-Gas in advance.
I think our policy of openness is working rather well. :-)
> I will build an army to Venice like I already told you.
> The other of my builds is for the future considerations.
Sounds good. I will of course build A Par. I have not yet decided whether I'll
build something in Bre or waive my second build.
> I hope you are still leaving Mar open.
Yes.
> Also I hope you are taking StP with a fleet like we agreed earlier.
Yes, I intend to move Nwy-Fin in preparation for Nwy/Fin S Bar-StP.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:56 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to France in 'gutsy':
Rod,
I'm not crazy about losing. But, if you think you're going to be able to
get to 18 by the end of the year, I suppose it goes with our agreement that
you can take my centers. I'd want to be very sure of things, though. I'd
hate to be eliminated and then find the game end in a draw.
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:30 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Russia in 'gutsy':
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Germany in
>'gutsy':
>
>
>Russia now claims that he's willing to throw the game to me to punish Italy.
Why? This would seem a bit premature. I don't think you'll lose your
ability to through the game in the next few turns, but you might be able to
include yourself in a draw. Besides, what are you punishing Italy for? As
far as I can see, he's done exactly what one would expect.
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:54:00 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Germany in 'gutsy':
> >Russia now claims that he's willing to throw the game to me to punish Italy.
>
> Why? This would seem a bit premature. I don't think you'll lose your
> ability to through the game in the next few turns, but you might be able to
> include yourself in a draw. Besides, what are you punishing Italy for? As
> far as I can see, he's done exactly what one would expect.
Possibly he has, but I warned him repeatedly that if he
took Sev then I'd throw to France. I think that was my
best shot at getting into a draw and Italy has called
my bluff. I'll continue to try and throw to France
until at least such a time as Italy pulls back out of
Sev and takes Rum back. I might even insist on Austria
being eliminated. Until then, France can take the solo
since Italy clearly isn't interested in letting me
into a draw.
Adam.........
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:31 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Germany in 'gutsy':
> This would be a very different game if you had decided to work with me
> against France. Is there any chance we can work something out now where we
> both get a piece of a stalemate line and try to negotiate our way into a
> draw by threatening to throw the game to France or Italy if one of them
> tries to whittle us?
I tried this basically, Italy called the bluff, I don't think
either of them are close enough to a win yet for the plan
to work so I'm going to be helping France get close for
a while at least. I don't think Italy will change his
mind until it's too late frankly, but I'd sooner to lose
to a French solo now than be eliminated.
Adam......
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:27 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Germany in 'gutsy':
> I wonder if Russia is seeing the error of his ways? I think I'm going to
> have to find a home for one of my units in Russia this coming year. How
> are things going with you and Italy? Is there a chance that we'll be able
> to both eventually find a home along the stalemate line in Russia and
> negotiate our way into the draw?
It seems like Italy is willing to let me survive while I am fighting
Russia. Warsaw and Moscow are the critical centers. Perhaps each of us
can get one of those. Once we have some stalemate centers, we should
make a pact such that any attempt to eliminate one of us, and we'll throw
the game. We should not make this threat too early, because France and
Italy have a good opportunity for a two-way draw.
Austria
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:34 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
> > Okay, I'll move Ukr-Mos. I would like to survive longer than Russia, but
> > I have no ambitions beyond that.
>
> I hope you are only trying to give me a fake idea of your feelings. You
> are far from dead and if it is up to me you are in endgame rather than
> Russia.
One must settle for less lofty goals when in a position such as mine. I
of course would love to win the game or be included in any draw. I will
be satisfied to survive to see Russia eliminated.
Austria
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:55 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Italy in 'gutsy':
> It seems that Russia is truly giving the game to France. I am willing to
> help you against Russia.
I don't know what Russia is doing. But, France is a long way yet from
Warsaw and Moscow, and those are the centers that count.
Austria
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:33 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Germany in
'gutsy':
Tim,
> I'd want to be very sure of things, though. I'd
> hate to be eliminated and then find the game end in a draw.
I understand. After the Spring move we can evaluate the position and ascertain
Russia's disposition and determine whether I can force a win regardless.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:54 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to Italy in 'gutsy':
France thinks that with my help he can probably have the
solo by the fall. I intend to continue helping him until
such a time as you pull out of Sev, take two supply
centers from Austria and ensure that I regain Rumania.
Unless you at least start doing these things very soon
indeed, France will win next year (assuming he's right
about his estimate - I haven't really checked it out yet)
Adam............
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:53 2002
Message from rodspade at acm.org,rodney.spade at philips.com as France to Italy in
'gutsy':
Raine,
FYI, I think I will build A Par and F Bre and move Bre-Eng, Eng-Nth, Nth-???. Gas holds.
Rod
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:39 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Austria in 'gutsy':
>It seems like Italy is willing to let me survive while I am fighting
>Russia. Warsaw and Moscow are the critical centers. Perhaps each of us
>can get one of those. Once we have some stalemate centers, we should
>make a pact such that any attempt to eliminate one of us, and we'll throw
>the game. We should not make this threat too early, because France and
>Italy have a good opportunity for a two-way draw.
Russia is threatening to throw the game to France this year. And, he can
almost do that if he offers France support into Moscow this fall. I think
we are very close to a critical stage in the game. My plan with France
will almost certainly involve convoying Sweden to Livonia or Prussia. I
hope we're in position to take Moscow and/or Warsaw from there, probably
with the help of Italy.
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:40 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Germany in 'gutsy':
> Russia is threatening to throw the game to France this year. And, he can
> almost do that if he offers France support into Moscow this fall. I think
> we are very close to a critical stage in the game. My plan with France
> will almost certainly involve convoying Sweden to Livonia or Prussia. I
> hope we're in position to take Moscow and/or Warsaw from there, probably
> with the help of Italy.
I don't think Russia can throw the game, though you are right he can come
very close. Anyway, losing to France's solo is better than losing to a
draw that involves Italy or Russia, as far as I am concerned. They
misplayed this, not us.
Austria
From - Wed Feb 20 21:53:52 2002
Message from tim at 9oakhill.com as Germany to Austria in 'gutsy':
>I don't think Russia can throw the game, though you are right he can come
>very close. Anyway, losing to France's solo is better than losing to a
>draw that involves Italy or Russia, as far as I am concerned. They
>misplayed this, not us.
True. but, it would be better to take part in a draw despite their
misplays. That may not be possible, of course. If you see any opportunity
we might have, please let me know. I don't want to simply roll over
without giving it another shot.
Tim
From - Wed Feb 20 21:54:06 2002
Message from keith at alumni.caltech.edu as Austria to Germany in 'gutsy':
> True. but, it would be better to take part in a draw despite their
> misplays. That may not be possible, of course. If you see any opportunity
> we might have, please let me know. I don't want to simply roll over
> without giving it another shot.
Don't worry, I'm not about to give up. We can't really plan anything
until we see Russia's disbands, though.
I can't imagine that France will let you into Livonia now. Do you think
he will? (I am assuming that France is controlling Russia's moves now,
so what I really mean is that Russia will bounce you from Livonia.)
Austria
From - Wed Feb 20 21:54:35 2002
Message from pre at dalliance.net as Russia to France in 'gutsy':
> Thanks for getting in Italy's way! It's too bad your moves
> didn't succeed, but at least you bounced AI. :-)
Hold 'em off until you're ready to solo is all I can really
hope for.
> It's probably most convenient for me if you remove Ska and Fin
> and either StP or Ber. Maybe removing StP and retaining Ber is
> best; we could do something like War S Mos, Nwy-StP, Swe-Lvn,
> Mun S Sil-Boh, Ber-Sil. I think I could then secure the win in
> the Fall if you and Germany are both willing to make it happen.
I'm willing, at least as long as Sev and Rum stay under hostile
control. I can't see Raine changing his mind about that, he's
so stubborn.
> What do you think of this? I'm always happy to consider the
> advice of those who want me to win. :-)
Looks like a reasonable plan. I can never remember if
A War S French A Stp - Mos would count towards dislodging Mos
or not, I'm sure there's something about not being able to
dislodge your own units, but that might just be attack, not
support.
Adam...........
From - Wed Feb 20 21:54:36 2002
:: Judge: NZMB Game: Gutsy Variant: Standard
:: Deadline: F1911B Wed Feb 20 2002 23:43:12 +1300
Adjustment orders for Winter of 1911. (gutsy.047)
Russia: Removes the army in Finland.
Russia: Removes the fleet in the Skagerrak.
Russia: Removes the army in St Petersburg.
Italy: Builds an army in Venice.
France: Builds a fleet in Brest.
France: Builds an army in Paris.
Italy: 1 unusable build pending.
The next phase of 'gutsy' will be Movement for Spring of 1912.
The deadline for orders will be Tue Feb 26 2002 20:00:00 +1300.
